The reading for November 2 is Job
11-20.
The part in this section that stood out
to me most immediately was Job 19:25 'For I know that my Redeemer
lives and at the last he will stand upon the earth'. This verse is a
little bit confusing and has been interpreted by people in a few
different ways. Without going into details, i think what we can be
sure about is that Job had faith in the goodness of God, and of his
own security with God, and this gave him strength in his trial. I
believe it is also indicated here that Job did not believe his
security with God did not depend on his own perfection, but he
trusted that God would count him worthy and accept for the faith that
he did have.
Jobs three friends looked at Jobs
suffering very simply, because God is righteous, He punishes sin with
suffering, therefore suffering is proof that one is sinful; therefore
as Job was suffering, he must be sinful, probably holding back some
kind of secret sin. Likewise Jobs own children were killed because of
their sin, according to Bildad in the first reading 'If your
children have sinned against him, he has delivered them into the hand
of their transgression.'(Job 8:4).
However, note that Job both trusted in
a Redeemer in his own life, and the life of his own children, thus
his faith was not in his own perfection but in Gods. Job did not
regard himself as perfect; in the speech given in chapter 8 by Bildad
above, Bildad tried to make a case that suffering is a result of
evil, in chapter 9 Job replies saying 'Truly I know that it is so:
But how can a man be in the right before God? If one wished to
contend with him, one could not answer him once in a thousand
times'(Job 9:2-3). He seems to be saying that if God was to always
punish evil, we would all be suffering. In this way Job seems to
reject that his suffering and the suffering of his children are
linked to sin in terms of punishment(there is apparently a lot of legal
vocabulary in Job, which is used least of all in Gods speeches in the
end, this probably indicates that the primary relationship between
Job and God is not legal but personal). Job rejects this in relation
to his children, because Job made sacrifices for them 'And when the
days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate
them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt
offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It
may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.
Thus Job did continually”'(Job 1:5). I think that this passage (Job
1:5) combined with the passage Job 19:25 show that Job trusted not in
his own goodness for his and his childrens security with God, but in
Gods goodness toward Him, for sacrifices were a sign of trust in God
to redeem a person. Job did complain that God was mistreating him,
but this seems to be because Job believed his sin was covered. Job
talks about his blamelessness, but his 'blamelessness' was a
confidence in his redeemer, and because he believed in a Redeemer, it
was not legaly right for God to punish Job, Job was innocent because
of his faith in God.
According to Job, his suffering despite
his trust in the righteousness of God to redeem him indicates that
God was wrong to punish him. I believe that this is true, God would
be wrong to punish Job if Job trusted in the righteousness of his
Redeemer, for sins to require a punishment(the book of Hebrews talks
about his alot, see Hebrews 9:22),so therefore performing a sacrifice
represents a trust in God that that punishment has or will be paid,
that is it represents a trust in God to forgive sins. If Jobs sins
are already forgiven, then it would be wrong for God to punish Job,
if God says he forgives sin, but punishes people who have trusted in
Him to have their sins forgiven, then God would be a liar. However
the reason Job was wrong was because God was not punishing him
because of his sin, in fact I don't think God ever really gives Job a
reason. The main focus of Gods concluding speech is just 'I am wise',
the point therefore, seems to be that we should trust God no matter
what, always believing He is good and righteous and just, and not
believing that our suffering is a result of our sin. For if our sin
were to be judged, we would be dead. Elihu, in his closing speech
seems to give the closest thing to an explanation, but that is much
too far ahead for today.
Not quite sure on your last paragraph. I think what you are meaning to say may be correct, but it is coming out confusing.
ReplyDeleteSin does require punishment - the shedding of blood, specifically Christ's blood as the Hebrews passage deals with. And yes, having trusted in God for redemption of sin, symbolised through the sacrifice of animals, Job is not held responsible for payment of his sins, as God does not require payment twice.
I don't think this leads to the conclusion that God is wrong to punish Job for sin (if that was the case) even when Job has accepted the Redemption God offers. Sin still has physical consequences that may not be removed even though the spiritual consequences are removed, and God does chasten His children to correct them.
Yes, in this case Job is not being punished for his sin, and he is right to claim that the suffering is not for unconfessed sin. His 'crying out of wrong (KJV)' in 19:7 is not so much a claim that God is wrong to afflict him, as simply a cry of suffering that is translated different in other versions ('e.g. 'cry out "Violence"' (ESV) ).
Maybe we can look at this again when we get to Elihu's speech tomorrow.
Really appreciating your thoughts.
Yeah... i thought that what i was saying could potentially be RADICALLY wrong. but actually if its not radically wrong i think its a beautiful radically right truth. yes sin must have a punishment, but if we trust in our redeemer (whom we know is Jesus ) we have forgiveness and will not be punished. i think that the consequences for our sin in this life are not gods judgement, even if we had the death penalty for murder. That would not be gods punishment if we are repentant. that would be a call home to everlasting life.
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ReplyDeleteToday, Job's cry of faith "I know my redeemer lives..." has been a verse bringing hope to many and the verse seems so current to our own painful situations. http://www.churchleaders.com/worship/worship-videos/171089-why-does-god-allow-pain-suffering.html...
ReplyDeleteIn the Old Testament, however, the story of Job sits with other Wisdom literature of his time. The beauty of the Old Testament is how it resonates with us who have read the New Testament, but to try and imagine Job's point of view, we have to locate him before the time of Christ (ie he anticipates a Redeemer) The struggle to understand, to be authentic in the presenting of ourselves/ thoughts to God in community, the coming together to attempt to comfort the suffering friend, to articulate the confusion...all these differing opinions seem pointless, contentious, unwise and yet as a book Job articulates intellectual honesty and God hears.